Talk:Barthélemy Mukenge

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[1] Mention of son, Jim Mukenge. -Indy beetle (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kaiser matias (talk · contribs) 18:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

In the infobox, is there any reason to just include his terms as President of Kasai Province? I see he also served as a provincial minister, and governor of a province; shouldn't those be included too?
- I didn't have exact dates of his service in those offices. As far as my understanding, there's no policy that requires that all of an individuals positions be included in the infobox. Also, the Presidency of Kasai seems to have been his most politically significant office.
"He fathered 14 children." Is there any idea how many wives/partners he had?
- Sources do not say and, as it was not necessarily uncommon for Congolese politicians at the time (Patrice Lumumba, Victor Koumorico)—especially those of significant status in a given tribe—he very well could have had multiple wives.
"He returned to the office in July and held it until September." Was he re-elected at this time, or appointed? Similarly when he left in September, what caused that? Any information to clarify this at all?
- Unfortunately not. The national political situation was very chaotic at this time, and Kasai's politics were in my opinion simply absurd (Packham's Freedom and Anarchy does a good job exemplifying this). His assumption or removal from office could have been caused by a number of things: a vote by the provincial assembly (the normal constitutional mechanism for deciding who holds the office), a vote by Parliament affirming or invalidating the legitimacy of the provincial assembly's aforementioned vote, interference by the central government (see André Lubaya for an example in Kasai), or a restructuring of the province's borders triggering the convocation of a new assembly and government.
It's noted he served as Governor of Kivu for 4 years. Did he do anything noteworthy there? Or anything? It seems like a long stretch to not have any information.
- I've searched long and hard for answers on this and unfortunately have found no helpful information.
Any idea on what he did post-1974?
- No info on this, though he probably retired to his home and lived the rest of his life quietly—not an uncommon course of action for many Congolese politicians of the early 1960s to take as Mobutu solidified his control over the country.

Really only have a few questions about clarifying some details, but other than that looks good. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaiser matias: I've responded to your comments. I wish I had more satisfying answers, but alas, sources in this area are limited. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. It's a shame there isn't anything more available, as this era sounds quite interesting. But we are of course limited by what we have as sources, so can't fault you for it, and will pass the article. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]